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Will It Lens? Table of Contents


Welcome, all! Here are links to everything in the "Will It Lens?" series.
  • Part 1: introduction, melting pennies, dimes, toothpaste, Tylenol, milk, chalk, gourd, can.
  • Part 2: equipment upgrades, CDs, disposable silverware, brass penny, burned pennies.
  • Part 3 (Food Edition): popcorn, grape, kumquat, Frosted Mini Wheat, jelly beans, Reese's Pieces.
  • Part 4: wood, quarter, soap, dishwasher detergent, bacon, egg, honey, seashell, almonds, gummy bears, M&Ms.
  • Part 5 (Temperature Breakthrough): marshmallow, peeps, copper, iron, sand, glass
  • More to come soon eventually!
  • Gallery of all pictures: This contains every picture we took. There's a lot of junk in here; the good pictures are in the blog posts above.


FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND SUGGESTIONS (updated)
  1. Can you melt glass?

    This surprised us, but yes! Normal glass is more properly called "sodalime glass," which has a much lower melting point than pure silicon dioxide (which we originally thought glass was made of, and which we haven't been able to melt yet). However, we have trouble melting clear things because they don't absorb the sunlight. Nonetheless, we melted a dark brown glass in part 5.

  2. Can you melt sand?

    Kinda. The sand we tried is a mixture of quartz, feldspar, and iron. We can melt the last two, but we haven't melted quartz yet. Look at part 5 for more details.

  3. Can you lens electronics?

    We probably could, but we don't want to because the fumes are really noxious. There's lead and other stuff that's terrible for your lungs in there.

  4. Can you use a second lens to focus the light even more?

    No, that's not how optics works. For a slightly more thorough answer, see the Light Sharpener FAQ over at cockeyed.com.

  5. Where did you get the lens? How much did it cost?

    I think we got it from here. When we ordered it, I think it was about $120, plus shipping. If you include the wood for the frame and stand, the welding goggles, and the skillet, we've probably spent over $200 on lens-related stuff so far.

  6. You should lens something that will burst and explode all over the place!

    That would be very entertaining, but we need to clean everything up before lunch is over, so we're not doing anything too messy in the foreseeable future (no unopened pop cans, no aerosols, etc.). If we ever take the lens out to the middle of the desert, we will consider lensing messy things.

  7. You should lens an iPhone, iPod, or other hip status symbol.

    First, see question 3 about electronics. Then, remember that we're paying for all of this with our own money. We'd prefer not to lens anything that costs more than a couple dollars. Everything we've tried so far has cost under $1 each (almost everything is under $0.25 each).

  8. Isn't it illegal to destroy money?

    Not unless you do it with the intent to defraud someone. Remember the last time you went to the zoo? You probably saw one of those machines that will take your penny, flatten it out, and stamp an image of a penguin or something on it as a souvenir. Melting a penny is no more illegal than one of those machines.



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Since you're having troubles with it getting too hot too fast, try something like a frozen burrito or pizza.
We've already considered trying frozen pizza, but we decided against it because the top is still likely to burn before the middle is even thawed. I think we want the rate of heat absorption into the food to be roughly the same magnitude as the rate of heat conduction within it, and changing the starting temperature isn't going to help.

Power?

Anonymous

April 10 2009, 21:09:33 UTC 10 years ago

I know you guys must be having a blast with this, but is this an economically viable solution for alternate energy sources? Or could you just use it to store power in a super-light gun that you could instantly melt pennies with!?!
Yes, solar power is economically viable if you live in a sunny place. It isn't very popular yet because it takes about 8 years to recoup your investment and people are impatient, but it is viable.

I'm not sure the light gun would work. :-)
Why not move the lens slightly closer or farther so the items are not at the exact focal point? This allows the light to be dispersed and not quite so powerful, so you can make a proper solar oven with variable temperature and even cooking.

Or, you could go the other direction and figure out a way to collect & collimate the light coming through so that it forms a tiny, super-powerful beam. You could probably use that to build a lair. And then become a super villain. Just a thought.
I havent tried it out so I am not sure what happens. Just an idea.
We considered it, but none of us want to breathe the fumes.

Several year ago when I was doing robotics research, we blew a power regulator (the chip was tiny, about a square centimeter), and our control module smelled vile for days. I don't want to repeat that; it's really bad for your lungs.

Fantastic

Anonymous

April 10 2009, 22:08:38 UTC 10 years ago

I just love you guys. Seriously
Can this idea be used to generate power at all?
Yup. You can generate electricity with solar cells, or you can heat water (to turn a steam turbine for electricity, or just to have hot water), or you can make a solar oven and cook food. Solar power has been explored for a while.
Nice to know you Google lot are working hard on all the bugs and stuff!!! :(

Nahh, I'm just jealous. That looks really fun and I want one. Keep it up!

And I'm aware how much this sounds like a Viagra advert...

Well, that was a highly fulfilling post xD

Videos!

Anonymous

April 10 2009, 23:44:52 UTC 10 years ago

Post some videos of your work too :)

Also, how hot would it need to be to melt your average sand?
Too far? lol

Should try some sausages. And an egg inside the shell. (do with caution, of course, since these are likely to explode)


Sand is typically silicon dioxide, which melts at 1996 K. If we can't melt copper at 1356 K, we have no hope here.

I think you're right that an egg is likely to explode, and we don't want to egg our own office. So, maybe some day if we move the lens away from buildings, but not in the near future. However, an (empty) eggshell is already on our list.
You should one-up the Mythbusters and lens a boat. :)
Bounce the beam off a mirror that's laying on the deck such that you can heat a pan from underneath. Such an arrangement should make it possible to cook bacon, pop popcorn (put a Jiffy Pop on the pan to disperse the heat), or pretty much anything else.
*blinks* Wow, why didn't I think of that? We already have mirrors purchased, and it would also solve our problems with the focal point sometimes being in the ground if the sun is too high overhead. We'll definitely try this out!

Re: Mirror bounce

nithogg

10 years ago

Re: Mirror bounce

Anonymous

10 years ago

Re: Mirror bounce

chouyu_31

10 years ago

If you can get about 1000 degrees (~1274K) then you could fire some ceramics. We fire earthenware pottery at those temps at our studio. I imagine you could get some funky glaze effects on bisqued ceramics (if they don't just break) due to the temperature variations.

Could you lens a small lens to get a better focal point? What's the smallest spot you're getting so far?
Doesn't it take several hours to fire clay? We don't have that kind of patience, particularly when we can only fire a square inch of the clay at a time and we'll have to keep adjusting the lens as the sun moves. I'll keep it in mind because it's a very creative idea and we can actually get to those temporatures, but I doubt we'll actually do it.

We can't focus it further with a second lens because the incident light is not parallel (for more of an explanation, see the light shapener FAQ at cockeyed.com. Our focal area is about a square inch.

Re: raku?

Anonymous

10 years ago

Re: raku?

big_bad_al

10 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elements_by_boiling_point

just to add

Anonymous

April 11 2009, 03:40:56 UTC 10 years ago

try some liquid nitrogen.

Re: how hot is it?

big_bad_al

10 years ago

Have you considered placing a Stirling engine at the focal point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUrB7KRvxUk
We have considered it, but right now it's a pipe dream. Building the frame for the lens is about the height of our construction prowess; we don't have the skill to build a Stirling engine. However, it is something we'd eventually like to try, if we find someone with experience building stuff like that.
It seems like you're having trouble getting even and consistent heat at temperatures appropriate for cooking. Since you weren't able to melt the copper pennies, how about using a copper plate. Use the lens to heat one end of the plate and place your items to cook on the opposite end. Obviously, the cooking temperature will decrease with further distances from the heat source. Being a good conductor of heat, copper should heat up quickly, transmit the heat well but allow you to control it.

Solar

Anonymous

April 11 2009, 11:24:01 UTC 10 years ago

I just realized this would be an amazing experiment in developing a Solar Powerhouse. Hope this happens.
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